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We Live Through Ideas Not Facts?

Restored from the Empower Network archive (2011–2017), lightly edited to meet our current advertising standards. Views are the original author’s.

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(O.G.U.M.I.R. T.E.A.M.)-We ended yesterday with the question of thought being the cause of all this mess that we are in, the very movement of thought psychologically, is that the cause? May we take it from their today? Are you interested in going on with the writer? Please if I may remind you again that we are not doing propaganda and we are not telling you what to do or how to think, this is nothing of the kind. But we together you the viewers and the writer go into it together and find out for our selves the facts which perhaps may bring us to the truth about the cause of all this?

So what has brought about this present chaos in the world? Please enquire with me and don’t agree and disagree? Because then we can’t meet when there is a agreeing or disagreeing there is no communication. We are observing and moving with something vital. Thought has created some marvelous things the great cathedrals, marvelous architecture, the great songs, poems, music, the extraordinary technology, the bombs/atom all of that is out of thought. The enormous accumulation of armaments and all the knowledge accumulated by the scientist are the results of thought.

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That is if you are not thinking you cannot go to your home or office, drive a car, speak a language. So this all means that thought has an extraordinary important place in life. But we are enquiring and observing the cause of this misery of humankind? Apart from the physical world of convenience telephones, communication, cars, transportation and all of that we are not talking about that. But is thought the essence of our misery? If it is can that end psychologically? Please join with me, do you understand my question?

You know any human being that is suffering will do anything spend money, go and take a long journey will do anything to get cured. But we don’t seem interested in spending half or a quarter of that time to go into this, why human beings go through such agony and why it has become so dangerous in this world while we live with so much utterly meaningless activities? Now is thought the origin of all this and is thought the center of our existence? You understand this our love, affection, the creating of images, fears, depression and sufferings you follow?

I wonder if you knew that all of that is the movement of thought? And our relationship with each other is the movement of thought and thought as we said is the child of knowledge if you had no knowledge you would not be able to think at-all. And knowledge is always limited there is no complete knowledge about anything. There is a complete understanding about something beyond all of this when knowledge comes to and end, we will go into that mush later. So we have to follow this step by step or it will be very difficult to comprehend further? To be clear we are not selling something now so that you have to come back later.

So are you with me there is no complete knowledge about anything the universe, astrophysics, philosophy, technology all of this is based on knowledge and that knowledge is incomplete. Then they say we believe in god and he alone knows complete knowledge or the ending of knowledge. But we are not talking about such nonsense, we are talking about pointing out that knowledge is always limited because it is always with in the shadow of ignorance. Even the world’s specialist and great philosophers, theoreticians, the people of the church and religions they can never under any circumstances unless they are foolish claim complete knowledge. This is saying that our thinking that is born out of knowledge is limited.

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Are you with me on this, there is no complete thinking? So then our actions are limited this is obvious? Our observations are limited as long it is out of the functioning of thought. If I observe you analytically and analyze you analytically the observing is the process of thought and there fore my observation and conclusion of you must be totally limited. It means a great sense of humility to observe! You follow? Not I know so I will observe. But a humility that is freedom from a certainty in observing, I will go into this presently?

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Okay if thought is the origin of all of this mess and it looks like it is. Don’t accept what the write is saying our misery, the wars, the divisions on most people which is the divisions of religions, professions, nationalities, the division of this whole psychological becoming is the movement of thought.

I am not sure if you have ever observed the human being that become the cloak, priest, Forman, the business man and woman who is climbing the ladder they all the time becoming something physically the perished priest becomes the bishop and the bishop becomes the cardinal or arch bishop and the cardinal becomes the pope. It is the same pattern that goes on in the structure of business and universities/colleges physically being repeated. Also it is the same pattern that we do inwardly psychologically always becoming something.

Inwardly psychologically we are all ways saying I am not this but I will be that, I am not good but I will be better, I am violent but I will be non violent. Please understand this, the feeling of becoming is the movement of thought in time. That may be the origin of all of this mess; everyone is trying to become something or other. Understand that to physically become something is rather competitive, cruel, destructive one can see what is happening and not go into that game. But to see it psychologically is quite a different matter, you hear this that psychologically you are becoming something all the time conflict conflict, struggle, fight, push shove and that may be the cause of this destructive world in which we live.

That becoming is the movement of thought, I compare myself with you psychologically I say how nice a hair cut, really making good pay at the job, way more than me this that and the other. Then I attempt to become that, comparison is the movement of thought. Now the writer have stated this what does the mind do when it hears this statement? It doesn’t observe immediately itself but hearing a statement of that kind the mind makes and abstraction of it into and idea and then dispute about the idea where as the actuality is different from the idea.

The word suffering is different from the actual suffering, you follow this right? You see if you listen kindly to what is being said that the mind, heart and the brain (they are all one really) have been conditioned through time, culture and through religion to become something. And In this becoming there is ruthlessness, violence, struggle and so on. When you hear that is it an actuality for you or an idea? Is it and idea or fact because it is very important to understand this because our minds are always functioning in ideas? Not with facts psychologically we are talking about, the brain immediately make an abstraction of a fact, we have lost the capacity to see the facts and remain with that fact without creating the ideals to pursue.

But if one observes the fact is more important than the idea and you can do something about the fact but you can possibly do anything about an idea because it is not real. We can create more contentions, opinions about ideas and the ideologist and all the rest of it follow. But if you observe the fact that the brain mind and the heart (which is all one) this mind is always trying to become something. That is a fact not an idea.

May I end it here for now; we will take up from here tomorrow.

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